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		<title>By: Michael Kaulkin</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelkaulkin.com/movable-do-in-classroom-ear-training/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kaulkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment!  I&#039;m not sure I fully understand your question, but very young students should not be introduced to key signatures at all until they can read and sing in tune using solfa.

There&#039;s a way to use solfa to introduce key signatures, and I&#039;ll be posting about that soon (I hope).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment!  I&#8217;m not sure I fully understand your question, but very young students should not be introduced to key signatures at all until they can read and sing in tune using solfa.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a way to use solfa to introduce key signatures, and I&#8217;ll be posting about that soon (I hope).</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with moveable Do. But the problem is how do you teach those young students who do not know that D major do is D because they haven learn the key signature yet. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with moveable Do. But the problem is how do you teach those young students who do not know that D major do is D because they haven learn the key signature yet. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelkaulkin.com/movable-do-in-classroom-ear-training/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also am in the &quot;movable do&quot; camp; it just makes more sense for my brain. 

I just started a blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://moveabledo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://moveabledo.com&lt;/a&gt;, as I wanted to put together a series of browser-accessible exercises to sharpen my sight singing skills. 

It&#039;s just a labor of love, so please check it out, comment, and pass the word if you find it useful. 

Thanks, 

    - Eugene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am in the &#8220;movable do&#8221; camp; it just makes more sense for my brain. </p>
<p>I just started a blog, <a href="http://moveabledo.com" rel="nofollow">http://moveabledo.com</a>, as I wanted to put together a series of browser-accessible exercises to sharpen my sight singing skills. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a labor of love, so please check it out, comment, and pass the word if you find it useful. </p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>    &#8211; Eugene</p>
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		<title>By: Conder Seasholtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conder Seasholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moveable Do is crucial.  Computer becomes an instrument or pitch pipe. Absolute pitch can be explored by identifying the sounds in your environment...like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aboutthecomposer.com/fog-horns-for-train-horns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;train horns&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moveable Do is crucial.  Computer becomes an instrument or pitch pipe. Absolute pitch can be explored by identifying the sounds in your environment&#8230;like <a href="http://www.aboutthecomposer.com/fog-horns-for-train-horns/" rel="nofollow">train horns</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: ugo capeto ear training</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelkaulkin.com/movable-do-in-classroom-ear-training/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>ugo capeto ear training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you would not take singing out of the equation because the 1st thing would be to establish the key by playing the whole scale or pieces of it, and you would expect the student to sing along. it&#039;s what comes next i am not too sure about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you would not take singing out of the equation because the 1st thing would be to establish the key by playing the whole scale or pieces of it, and you would expect the student to sing along. it&#8217;s what comes next i am not too sure about.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kaulkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kaulkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a software engineer, and not a big believer in using software for ear training.  I think if you take singing out of the equation you&#039;re pretty much wasting your time.

However, the comment stands, and so perhaps others might care to contribute on this.

Thanks, Ugo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a software engineer, and not a big believer in using software for ear training.  I think if you take singing out of the equation you&#8217;re pretty much wasting your time.</p>
<p>However, the comment stands, and so perhaps others might care to contribute on this.</p>
<p>Thanks, Ugo.</p>
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		<title>By: ugo capeto ear training</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelkaulkin.com/movable-do-in-classroom-ear-training/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>ugo capeto ear training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think &#039;movable do&#039; makes a lot of sense regarding ear training and functional pitch recognition. Let me ask you this: say you were to design an ear training software for functional pitch recognition, how would you go about designing it? Let&#039;s make things real simple and just focus on major scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think &#8216;movable do&#8217; makes a lot of sense regarding ear training and functional pitch recognition. Let me ask you this: say you were to design an ear training software for functional pitch recognition, how would you go about designing it? Let&#8217;s make things real simple and just focus on major scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Eakle</title>
		<link>http://www.michaelkaulkin.com/movable-do-in-classroom-ear-training/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit Eakle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting conversation! Bennett, you are, I believe confusing &quot;fixed-do&quot; with basing scale understanding on always thinking of &quot;DO&quot; as the root. The controversy in education is about a fixed-do system where LA above middle C is always is equal to 440hz.

In fact Bennett is describing one powerful use of &quot;moveable-do.&quot; In the movable system we can assign ANY pitch to DO and so can either label or think of ANY natural minor scale as: 
   &quot;do re ma fa so la ta do&quot; OR &quot;la ti do re mi fa so la.&quot;

As a longtime Kodály teacher trained by Hungarians, I was often reminded that Hungary is &quot;LA&quot; land. It is among those cultures in which the minor scale has primacy in the indigenous music. There it would be silly to think of the minor scale in terms of alterations of the major as in the &quot;do re ma&quot; example.
For we folks in &quot;DO land,&quot; however explaining the minor scale as &quot;do re ma&quot; may lead to a better understanding of minor.

The point of the movable do system is to allow this flexibility, and opening the door to multiple ways of understanding harmonic and melodic concepts. Whether you teach new scales to students using natural minor as the basis is a matter of choice. There is some validity to teaching the scales using a consistent syllable as the root. Clearly it does create some consistency! But then again it gives no insight into the modal nature of musical relationships involved in &quot;relative major/minor&quot; which is better demonstrated by using LA or even RE or MI rooted minor scales.

The point is movable DO as opposed to fixed-DO systems allow that flexibility. 

The difficulty is that so many European cultures have long used the same syllables as the American &quot;A, B, C&quot; fixed system. Seems to me the Kodály folks should have come up with another set of syllables for the movable system, but that&#039;s all water under the bridge, and we English speaking Americans have the privilege of not having the conflict, giving us maximum flexibility.

So Bennett - you aren&#039;t in favor of &quot;fixed-do&quot; — just in favor of teaching scales with a movable do system in which the root is always thought of as &quot;DO.&quot; That seems a good idea, but I would hope that you would also go on to point out the existence of LA and even other rooted systems as students become more sophisticated in their understanding.

In the Kodály system, when teaching young kids from scratch, though, your system, Bennett, is MORE complicated, because you would have to teach all the chromatic syllables before learning the scales. Once kids are aware of the pentatonic DO RE MI SO LA, they can right away learn the minor pentatonic by just singing the same syllables beginning on LA. As you see consistency is in the eye of the beholder - the context. The power of what is meant by &quot;movable DO&quot; is its flexibility to accommodate many approaches to understanding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting conversation! Bennett, you are, I believe confusing &#8220;fixed-do&#8221; with basing scale understanding on always thinking of &#8220;DO&#8221; as the root. The controversy in education is about a fixed-do system where LA above middle C is always is equal to 440hz.</p>
<p>In fact Bennett is describing one powerful use of &#8220;moveable-do.&#8221; In the movable system we can assign ANY pitch to DO and so can either label or think of ANY natural minor scale as:<br />
   &#8220;do re ma fa so la ta do&#8221; OR &#8220;la ti do re mi fa so la.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a longtime Kodály teacher trained by Hungarians, I was often reminded that Hungary is &#8220;LA&#8221; land. It is among those cultures in which the minor scale has primacy in the indigenous music. There it would be silly to think of the minor scale in terms of alterations of the major as in the &#8220;do re ma&#8221; example.<br />
For we folks in &#8220;DO land,&#8221; however explaining the minor scale as &#8220;do re ma&#8221; may lead to a better understanding of minor.</p>
<p>The point of the movable do system is to allow this flexibility, and opening the door to multiple ways of understanding harmonic and melodic concepts. Whether you teach new scales to students using natural minor as the basis is a matter of choice. There is some validity to teaching the scales using a consistent syllable as the root. Clearly it does create some consistency! But then again it gives no insight into the modal nature of musical relationships involved in &#8220;relative major/minor&#8221; which is better demonstrated by using LA or even RE or MI rooted minor scales.</p>
<p>The point is movable DO as opposed to fixed-DO systems allow that flexibility. </p>
<p>The difficulty is that so many European cultures have long used the same syllables as the American &#8220;A, B, C&#8221; fixed system. Seems to me the Kodály folks should have come up with another set of syllables for the movable system, but that&#8217;s all water under the bridge, and we English speaking Americans have the privilege of not having the conflict, giving us maximum flexibility.</p>
<p>So Bennett &#8211; you aren&#8217;t in favor of &#8220;fixed-do&#8221; — just in favor of teaching scales with a movable do system in which the root is always thought of as &#8220;DO.&#8221; That seems a good idea, but I would hope that you would also go on to point out the existence of LA and even other rooted systems as students become more sophisticated in their understanding.</p>
<p>In the Kodály system, when teaching young kids from scratch, though, your system, Bennett, is MORE complicated, because you would have to teach all the chromatic syllables before learning the scales. Once kids are aware of the pentatonic DO RE MI SO LA, they can right away learn the minor pentatonic by just singing the same syllables beginning on LA. As you see consistency is in the eye of the beholder &#8211; the context. The power of what is meant by &#8220;movable DO&#8221; is its flexibility to accommodate many approaches to understanding!</p>
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		<title>By: The Kodály Method- Pitch Perfect &#171; Music Teacher&#8217;s Helper Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bruce Rockwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Rockwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...also, I see no conflict between movable do and fixed do.  Both have their appropriate uses.  Fixed do is very helpful for musicians without perfect pitch to learn sight-singing in non-tonal contexts.  Movable do is a powerful tool for learning to hear and for singing the sound of scale degrees functioning in a tonal context.  Fixed and movable do are not incompatible or mutually exclusive systems.  In fact, the study of one informs the other, and it is easy to make the mental shift just as it is easy to recognize that you are singing either tonally or in a context of chromatic saturation.

Those who point out the challenges of using movable do in a context of rapidly shifting tonal centers are missing the point entirely.  It&#039;s not about singing the correct syllable or the correct number!  Life is not a Music 30 lab test!  Whether you are using movable do, or you shift to fixed do, and in which exact moments, is not of the least importance.  It&#039;s about building an automatic cerebral connection between the written note and its associated sound, or vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;also, I see no conflict between movable do and fixed do.  Both have their appropriate uses.  Fixed do is very helpful for musicians without perfect pitch to learn sight-singing in non-tonal contexts.  Movable do is a powerful tool for learning to hear and for singing the sound of scale degrees functioning in a tonal context.  Fixed and movable do are not incompatible or mutually exclusive systems.  In fact, the study of one informs the other, and it is easy to make the mental shift just as it is easy to recognize that you are singing either tonally or in a context of chromatic saturation.</p>
<p>Those who point out the challenges of using movable do in a context of rapidly shifting tonal centers are missing the point entirely.  It&#8217;s not about singing the correct syllable or the correct number!  Life is not a Music 30 lab test!  Whether you are using movable do, or you shift to fixed do, and in which exact moments, is not of the least importance.  It&#8217;s about building an automatic cerebral connection between the written note and its associated sound, or vice versa.</p>
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